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Sunday Aug 06, 2023
Sunday Aug 06, 2023
This time it's all about faith and damnation. Matt struggles with his faith. Karen struggles with damnation. David wonders how Fisk thinks about Fate. Patrick calls attention to how Daredevil inherits genre.
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(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.
Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?
This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.
Cover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/
© David McNeill 2023
Disclaimer
I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
06:20 - Episode 11 "The Path of the Righteous" Discussion
24:54 - The angels of your better nature analysis
29:40 - Cartoons and inheriting a genre
35:46 - Wesley and Karen
45:27 - Episode 12 "The Ones We Leave Behind" Discussion
1:01:00 - What makes change in stories work
1:16:00 - Outro
1:29:09 - Bonus: Star Wars fans are problematic
#daredevil #daredevilbornagain #daredevilnetflix
Sunday Aug 20, 2023
Sunday Aug 20, 2023
This week the boys drink deep from the thematic well as they examine the finale of season 1. Patrick compels us to realise the levers Daredevil pulls that other shows miss while David is once again obsessed by the religious themes.
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(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.
Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?
This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.
Cover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/
© David McNeill 2023
Disclaimer
I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
03:14 - Episode 13 "Daredevil" Discussion
20:52 - Leland 33:34 - Turk! Our boy!
36:00 - Fisk's arrest and monologue
37:37 - Analysing Fisk's "ill intent" speech
52:40 - The law meets reality
59:48 - Final fight analysis
1:07:10 - The show's magic trick
1:11:25 - Codas and how they work
1:17:15 - Season 1 round up
1:23:26 - Looking ahead
1:33:08 - Outro
#daredevil #daredevilbornagain #daredevilnetflix
Tuesday Aug 29, 2023
Tuesday Aug 29, 2023
David here - a brief update on our plans now that we have the guidelines for the WAG SAG-AFTRA strike.
Donate to the emergency fund that helps our colleagues pay their rent and eat during these challenging times: https://entertainmentcommunity.org/
Read Vox's excellent coverage of the strikes here: https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/7/13/23793828/sag-aftra-strike-wga-hollywood
We haven't worked out what we'll make in the interim, read out on Youtube if you have ideas.
Otherwise, all we can say for now is fuck the AMPTP, fuck capitalism, and don't watch Daredevil on Disney Plus.
On a personal note, for those who always read the description (I know who you are you little freaks), the response from the general public has been predictably abhorrent. Go figure, right, who are they getting their news from and what's their political agenda. So if you know someone who goes "they're asking for that, that's less than I get paid" then please communicate to that person in your life that they're also getting fucked and the outcome of these strikes may well dictate end stage capitalism's relationship to labour forever.
- your socialist, now and forever, David
Friday Dec 29, 2023
Friday Dec 29, 2023
In a crossover event to be seen to be believed, ZeroIndent and A Method To The Madness punish Michi by watching 2003's Daredevil. David holds court trying to make the film sound good, Pat stares into the void of leather trench coats and Michi suffers through the whole thing.
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The Show
(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.
Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?
This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.
Cover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/
© David McNeill 2023
Disclaimer
I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:27 - High Level Thoughts
21:03 - Narrative Parallelism
26:18 - The Zack Snyder Bit
29:08 - Character Notes: Sensory Deprivation
31:35 - Mid-Tier Action At Best
33:50 - Sound Design: Texture and World Building
36:59 - Matt Murdock Is An Absolute Dog
40:08 - Matt and Elektra Chemistry
44:20 - Bullseye Is Too Cool?
46:37 - Why Stories Feel Fake
51:11 - Questions of Structure
52:52 - Ben Affleck's Cursed Career
58:47 - Pitching Our Daredevil Show
01:03:50 - Outro
#daredevil #daredevilbornagain #daredevilnetflix
Saturday Feb 10, 2024
Saturday Feb 10, 2024
Pat can't catch a break and takes us back to basics. This opening is simple, effective and epic. David has clearly just finished Andor and is back on his socialism grind
Editor's note: as Pat outlined, this recording was not ideal. The audio is the best we could make it (it's a wee bit echo-y and lacks base but hey, ain't that life sometimes?)
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The Show
(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.
Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?
This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.
All rights reserved ZeroIndent 2024© D.C. McNeillCover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/
Disclaimer
I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro00:45 - Pat's Life Is Falling Apart01:47 - Production Choices04:45 - Season 2 Episode 1 Discussion15:04 - The Punisher Enters The Frame39:49 - Saving The World Is Leverage?43:10 - Action As Characterisation49:51 - Lateral Conflict vs. Vertical Escalation53:30 - Season 2 Episode 2 Discussion59:40 - The Dark Knight, Again1:01:37: - Foggy's At it Again1:06:00 - Frank Castle Is Scary As Anything1:18:05 - Karen's Reality1:20:36 - Matt Has A "Problem"1:28:15 - Amorality In Systems1:31:23 - Frank and Daredevil Fight1:36:07 -Outro
Sunday Feb 25, 2024
Sunday Feb 25, 2024
This episode the boys are in their feelings big time. David and Pat both agree these two episodes are the best in the entire show, maybe in TV? It's hard to say. At the very least if you ever wanted to feel something, this the podcast for you.
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The Show
(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.
Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?
This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.
All rights reserved ZeroIndent 2024© D.C. McNeillCover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/
Disclaimer
I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro03:11 - What Makes These Eps Special11:19 - The Andor Anecdote14:10 - Frank Castle Is The Best Character20:11 - Season 2 Episode 3 Discussion28:20 - The Rooftop Discussion47:50 - The Quixotic Matt Murdock World View56:12 - The Stairwell Fight Scene a.k.a. "The Oner"1:04:23 - Season 2 Episode 4 Discussion1:12:44 - The Matt Karen Vibes Are ON ONE1:16:30 - Wisdom and The Church1:24:40 - The New Devil Suit1:27:16 - Frank Castle Discussion1:34:49 - Portraits Of The Victims1:45:20 - The Problem With "Solving" Text1:47:00 - The Graveyard Scene a.k.a. the best scene in the show1:58:01 - White Lies2:08:09 - The Matt and Karen Date2:16:49 - Outro
Sunday Mar 10, 2024
Sunday Mar 10, 2024
The story kicks off: Matt and Karen get romantic, and Elektra is here to mess up everyone's day. David loves the structural and genre symmetry and Pat keys into the way flashbacks change the underlying nature of the story.
Editor's Note: this week is the first week with David's mic, we figure it out next episode, promise.
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The Show
(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.
Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?
This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.
All rights reserved ZeroIndent 2024© D.C. McNeillCover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/
Disclaimer
I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro3:33 - Season 2 Episode 06 Discussion15:52 - Responsibility: The Hero's Journey and The Call25:00 - All of The Doors36:10 - Flashbacks and Daredevil41:05 - Matt and Karen's Big Date55:12 - The Murdock Paradox1:07:28 - Season 2 Episode 07 Discussion1:21:25 - Frank Castle and Karen Page1:28:45 - Corporate Espionage & Characterisation1:34:10 - The Castle Cover Up1:45:00 - Season 2 Episode 8 Discussion2:00:34 - Surrounded By Tragedy2:10:03 - Foggy Nelson Steps Up2:14:58 - Questions of Genre Conflict2:22:50 - The Giant Hole Reveal and Consequences2:30:48 - Outro
Sunday Mar 24, 2024
Sunday Mar 24, 2024
The show is up late! The boys sink a glass of whisky while breaking down Daredevil's most involved episodes so far. David loves the world building and Pat unravels the key motifs of this season.
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(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.
Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?
This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.
All rights reserved ZeroIndent 2024© D.C. McNeillCover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/
Disclaimer
I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro3:01 - The Shirts Are Here!7:09 - Season 2 Episode 8 Discussion16:16 - Stick Is A Great Driver22:45 - Structural Ideas of America, Military & Service31:07 - Matt's Disillusionment34:37 - The Great Lie of Matt Murdock's Life38:10 - Death & Frank Castle & Daredevil47:04 - The Court Room Trap57:02 - She's a HOT NINJA1:00:26 - Season 2 Episode 9 Discussion (The Fisk Ep)1:13:00 - Morality, Abstraction & Reality1:26:33 - Fisk Dominates The Punisher1:30:35 - The Minor Tragedies of Love1:35:43 - The Blood Motif1:39:27 - Season 2 Episode 10 Discussion1:45:12 - Karen & Matt's Awkward Chat TM1:50:25 - World's Worst DA2:00:43 - Elektra: Just Has It Like That2:05:20 - Daredevil and Claire On The Roof2:15:29 - Frank Exonerated (Sorta)2:17:50 - The Most Relatable Men On The Planet2:20:46 - David's New Book is OUT NOW UnderInk.Press2:2318 - Outro
Sunday Apr 07, 2024
Sunday Apr 07, 2024
Our best episode yet. Of anything. Period. This time the boys scratch at what it means to have an identity and whether you're ever really in the driver's seat. Then delve into love. Forgiveness. Faith. If there was ever an episode to listen to, it's this one.
David puts his own heartbreak into this one while Pat starts to see the Matrix, connecting simple truths to simple tragedies.
Editor's Note: this is my favourite episode so far: the discussion at around 30 min on Frank's world view about love is the most compelling listen for me personally. Also happens to be the episode where we finally figure out David's new mic. What a journey.
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(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.
Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?
This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.
All rights reserved ZeroIndent 2024© D.C. McNeillCover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/
Disclaimer
I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro2:39 - Season 2 Episode 11 Discussion9:44 - Forecasting Genre Changes14:33 - Intertextuality Within One Text18:11 - Foggy: The Most Normal Dude In A Weird Story22:04 - The Unreachable Matt Murdock30:08 - Frank Castle's Reality: Love Simply Is39:28 - Where Has Madame Gaoh Even Been? Da Basement47:00 - Knives Are Scary, Gang50:31 - Passing The Plot Baton1:00:00 - Creativity and Labour In End Stage Capitalism1:11:04 - Season 2 Episode 12 Discussion1:23:00 - Forgiveness and The Road Back1:34:14 - Basic Scene Structure Work Is Critical1:40:00 - The Man In the Room1:50:51 - Power Creep vs. Progressive Complication1:53:45 - Determinism: What Is Identity and Destiny2:07:28 - This Season Pulls Off The Impossible Tragedy2:13:18 - Spoilers For The Punisher (sorta)2:16:25 - The Punisher Is Born2:19:21 - Production Plan2:21:51 - Outro (and concerns about The Defenders)
Sunday Apr 21, 2024
Sunday Apr 21, 2024
The finale of season 2 is here. Questions of sacrifice, murder, morality and redemption are raised, poised, and paused to service The Defenders. David is steeped in notions of what makes Elektra a moveable character and Pat enjoys our last slice of goodness before The Defenders.
Perhaps the most compelling point of interest is the mystery of The Hand and the Blacksky, and how The Defenders undercuts a compelling conclusion.
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The Show
(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.
Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?
This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.
All rights reserved ZeroIndent 2024© D.C. McNeillCover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/
Disclaimer
I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.
Timestamps