"The Red and The Dead" - (Dare)Devil In The Details (Daredevil Ep 24-25)

Our best episode yet. Of anything. Period. This time the boys scratch at what it means to have an identity and whether you're ever really in the driver's seat. Then delve into love. Forgiveness. Faith. If there was ever an episode to listen to, it's this one.

David puts his own heartbreak into this one while Pat starts to see the Matrix, connecting simple truths to simple tragedies.

Editor's Note: this is my favourite episode so far: the discussion at around 30 min on Frank's world view about love is the most compelling listen for me personally. Also happens to be the episode where we finally figure out David's new mic. What a journey.

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The Show

(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.

Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

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Timestamps

00:00 - Intro
2:39 - Season 2 Episode 11 Discussion
9:44 - Forecasting Genre Changes
14:33 - Intertextuality Within One Text
18:11 - Foggy: The Most Normal Dude In A Weird Story
22:04 - The Unreachable Matt Murdock
30:08 - Frank Castle's Reality: Love Simply Is
39:28 - Where Has Madame Gaoh Even Been? Da Basement
47:00 - Knives Are Scary, Gang
50:31 - Passing The Plot Baton
1:00:00 - Creativity and Labour In End Stage Capitalism
1:11:04 - Season 2 Episode 12 Discussion
1:23:00 - Forgiveness and The Road Back
1:34:14 - Basic Scene Structure Work Is Critical
1:40:00 - The Man In the Room
1:50:51 - Power Creep vs. Progressive Complication
1:53:45 - Determinism: What Is Identity and Destiny
2:07:28 - This Season Pulls Off The Impossible Tragedy
2:13:18 - Spoilers For The Punisher (sorta)
2:16:25 - The Punisher Is Born
2:19:21 - Production Plan
2:21:51 - Outro (and concerns about The Defenders)